Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. She was not drinking while pregnant! Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Youre obviously trolling! Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. Chris is a monster. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. @nickvdl Hi. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. How do THESE people know? No sign of that either. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. He really thought he could get away with this? One body was face down in the south side of the tank. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. 2. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. Late stage of pregnant. CeCe was face down no oil inside her. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. All but her office. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Perhaps it is safer that the majority public dont know the facts. FACT: Thats contained in her autopsy report. Police saw a bed sheet. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. I didnt know what else to do. Addition. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. But I want to know so badly the time of death. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. This whole thing is terrible. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. Meacham [who knew Shanann from school] described Shanaan as OCD in the way the household operated. Chris was ocd also. The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. His integrity shows through all the time. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. I am by no means defending him. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. And dropped her in alive? Wow, you are really reaching here. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. What is going on?? You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. Would love your thoughts, please comment. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. He needed to be executed. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? He then pursued and strangled her there. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. It was on an automatic answering thing. Its more likely the complete opposite. And then it was turned off. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). Good work. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. The detective said not really. You see any documents with that diagnosis? Areas of bruising, internal. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. Remember, she was pregnant. @Nick, regarding OCD. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. But then whats your scenario? And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. 2. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. If he did it he would have killed in the same manner of death which would have been strangulation not smothering. Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. Thanks! If anything, I would say its more like few / some. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Kaye, this sounds plausible. Then again she was dressed for bed. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? He snapped and I was terrified of him. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. dirty murderer! Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Please God Forgive me for everything.. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? That sounds very very snarky. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. On the police cams you can just see hi. Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. Just a suggestion. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. Esophagus: .. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. No. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. Chris said he forgot the phone. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. For nothing. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. > Most do not, really? The Watts murders got to me also. Its a matter of body position. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. How would you have reacted in her situation? If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Not as bright. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. He dug the grave with a shovel. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. Or putting her down. Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Jami, doesnt make sense. He had only a few friends. Pee and Poo But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. 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