radiolab inheritance transcript

ROBERT: Okay. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. I feel that they should all be sterilized. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. Yes, he was retarded. Suddenly you're marked. ROBERT: One-fourth? That's the headline for his talk, and then CARL ZIMMER: Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". MICHAEL MEANEY: Mom's licking activates serotonin. They lived longer lives, something like 30 years on average. How do those cycles perpetuate? ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? I don't like to upset people. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? ROBERT: Inheritance, what you can move on to the next generation and what you can't. And those lucky ones, according to Darwin's theory, they would have had to have been born with some random mutation in their genes That gave them an advantage in this situation. And one of them is called the thyroid system. Inheritance | Radiolab Podcast 4,710 views Apr 8, 2022 Radiolab 43.8K subscribers From the Radiolab podcast: How your grandfather's diet can affect your lifespan, heart health and even. I have to be creative.". But that you supposedly can't get to. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. A lot of times that's not the case. Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? It's writer, Sam Kean again, and here's, he says, what you need to know about the midwife toad. You know, they say it only takes one time. SAM KEAN: Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. Whole lifetime of stretching. Radiolab is on YouTube! And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. I'm graduating in December. More of this particular protein. Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. Listen Feb 3, 2023 Ukraine: The Handoff Pregnancy, and choice, in a war. JAD: And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. They've seen it and they've repeated the experience. I guess retard. Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: You know what they're going to go do with that money. OLOV BYGREN: Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. CARL ZIMMER: The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. The results are obvious to you. Also, thanks to Carl Zimmer whose latest is Evolution: Making Sense of Life. He was miserable to look at. Each stone represents a radioisotope by means of a. It takes a while. That was the implication, except Kammerer tried to defend himself by saying "Do you think I'm a Dummkopf, or an idiot, because that's what I would have to be if I left a forgery with ink standing around openly in the laboratory where so many of my enemies would have entry?". CARL ZIMMER: He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. Full transcript: Radiolab co-host Jad Abumrad on Recode Media The new season of More Perfect, a spinoff show from Radiolab, began airing Oct. 2. ROBERT: They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. We had an expression here, "Dig where you stand." ], This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. ROBERT: So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. JAD: And then, Michael just launched into this thing. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. You know? He thought it worked with humans, too. I went to the hospital and picked him up. PAT: And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. JAD: His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. It says, "Race of Supermen." She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? She was thinking BARBARA HARRIS: "Everybody's motivated by money., BARBARA HARRIS: Can I offer these women money to use birth control? She is nine. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. SAM KEAN: But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. All right, I'll get in the water." PAT: Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. We'll just get one more.". Turning down a job that they'd offered him. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. They decided to explore this question. All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. What do I know? As to diabetes, it was a four-fold risk. JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. So if they saw somebody who was starving as a kid in 1820, they could then see, "Well, when those people had children and grandchildren, did anything change? He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. [laughs]. CARL ZIMMER: He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. This is Radiolab. Not only that. And at a time when you're not making the best decisions anyway. This is what's called the slow growth period. It's against the rules. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. LULU: So far. OLOV BYGREN: Something happens on the molecular level. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? JAD: That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. SAM KEAN: What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. It was just no baby should have to come into the world like that. PAT: Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. Truth is, we dont know precisely how this happens but somehow the experience of starvation marks the DNA. The results make it probable that our descendants will learn more quickly what we know well, will execute more easily what we have accomplished with great effort, will be able to withstand what injured us almost to the point of death. Serotonin gets into the brain cells, and according to Michael unleashes A whole series of molecular events inside the cell. Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. Once their born, their genes are fixed and change does not happen in a generation or two. JAD: So this whole debate, two totally different ways of seeing life. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. Because the truth is, you have no idea how these kids are going to turn out. JAD: And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. LULU: A really good radiolab about this called Inheritance. Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. MICHAEL MEANEY: That's it. Baby, be careful. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. I'm Sam Kean's dad. These were kids that didn't end up with Barbara? All right, I'll get in the water." You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? PAT: Could you just tell us what you are doing now? CARL ZIMMER: She is nine. Kinda makes me claustrophobic. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. That's the stuff that makes you you. JAD: What's he talking about? Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. JAD: And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. JAD: In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. It's such a surprising result. His famous example was giraffes. PAT: You picked him up right from the hospital? And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. These are women who love their children, who sought help. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. I mean, youre just youre saying a lot of things that are really impressive. Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. CARL ZIMMER: He was born in 1880 in Vienna, Jewish family. Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. So here's what you're going to notice. Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. JAD: But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. BARBARA HARRIS: I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. SAM KEAN: It was this struggle for a few years. Are there people whose drug use is so out of control they can't parent? I'm going to graduate with honors and one day I'm going to be able to tell her, "Look, I did this. JAD: They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! Yeah. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. ", In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". BARBARA HARRIS: And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. Yeah, thats it. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? Part 2 of our collaboration with Radiolab. ROBERT: So if they saw somebody who was starving as a kid in 1820, they could then see, "Well, when those people had children and grandchildren, did anything change? According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. And again, Barbara thinks, "Come on, but if this little girl is here, she should be with her brother and sister. JAD: Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. Here's what Olov says he found in the data. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: She's offering $200. He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. They won't grow much on the outside, but on the inside That is the time where the sperms are developing. The connection between trees Normally trees from different species are competitors. By all accounts a pretty good-looking guy. DESTINY HARRIS: Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. DESTINY HARRIS: Are you going to kick it? Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. All rights reserved. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. Were told. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. That's how I've always looked at it. JAD: It makes a kind of common sense, really. So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. And I know fate is gonna give them a couple random mutations in those genes. She was totally an oops kid. I just saw them as child abusers. On the Radiolab website they define the show as follows: "Radiolab is a show about curiosity. Yeah. ROBERT: Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I'm going to go out into the streets and offer addicted women money to use birth control. Take a look, explore and subscribe! It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. JAD: I got to say this is spooky. Life is hard.". That tongue is doing something to the DNA. Edward Condon Session III American Institute of Physics. And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. JAD: See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. I said, "No, no, that's okay." JAD: No, not brain cells. Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. And I didn't find a single case of someone saying that they regretted what they've done. More of this particular protein. CARL ZIMMER: I know what I'll do, I'm going to set up a terrarium for them and I'm going to make it hot, really uncomfortably hot. To learn more about higher level giving opportunities please contact the Development Office at giving@nypublicradio.org or (646) 829-4130. So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of, So I guess you could say to yourself, "Seven out of eight of these kids did all right?". I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. So she told me Barbara had another baby and Did we want it? It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. ROBERT: They could eat twice, three times as much. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. When Emil gets to be eight, I'm cutting him off. PAT: And that's when things would start to get out of control. And eventually, over the millenia, what youd get, is a creature with a very long neck. That's a lot of people. ROBERT: Remind me this. [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. I mean, he hates water. Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. ", PAT: In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". Let me say this again. The results are there. ROBERT: If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? Yeah. TRANSCRIPTS. You're eight, sorry. JAD: Even if it helps, it's horrifying. His example with humans was a blacksmith. In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. PAT: And even though they look basically nothing alike. This great. As Barbara made the rounds on the daytime talk shows, the reaction was split right down the middle. When you first hear about this, what goes through your mind? Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. Who are they? PAT: All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. Hi, this is Will, calling from Northumberland, England. We went to the foster home and went in. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Probably racist.]. Is it a big town? 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